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the fruit
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gingerwine
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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thankyou fruit. I hope to keep in remembrance daily all the body of Christ and those who suffer for him. 
to further our study..............
Luk 21:13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony
Mar 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them
Strong's testimony
) testimony
How unhelpful was that. LOL! define testimony as testimony.
However, it says from a presumed derivitive of martys
1) a witness
a) in a legal sense
b) an historical sense
1) one who is a spectator of anything, e.g. of a contest
c) in an ethical sense
1) those who after his example have proved the strength and genuineness of their faith in Christ by undergoing a violent death
translated testimony, witness, record, martyr
Mat 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
Mat 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness (testimony) unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mar 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Luk 9:5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them
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Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness (testimony) of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all
2Th 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified (testimony) in due time.
Jam 5:3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness (testimony) against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
Rev 15:5 And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
basically then, the word testimony is fairly interchangeable with the word witness and is a record of what is witnessed. The above scriptures tell us that these testimonies are being recorded and kept in store with the Lord for some future reference.
these testimonies act in two ways; one testimony, the same event, testifies for two sides. One for and one against as seen by the Mark and Luke scriptures.
Luk 21:13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony
The delivering up of Jesus' witnesses to be persecuted for the gospel acts as a testimony in their favor.
Mar 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
And this very same persecution of his wotnesses acts as a testimony against the persecutors.
Just like a trial in which evidence is given.
When will these testimonies or records actually be used.
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mar 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
1Jo 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
it seems very likely that the day of judgment when the records are read is seen here;
Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
More later............
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the fruit
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gingerwine
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| fruit wrote: | | That and the one before it were the best posts so far Gingerwine. You are really getting into the meat of the matter now!! |
yes, God willing we are about to embark on some truly wonderful insights.
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gingerwine
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Good afternoon.
I may be doing a series of short posts here as I have hurt my back and find it hard to concentrate for a long period. We'll see how it goes.
In re-reading my last post to refresh my memory it became clear to me that the persecutions of the saints are not the only testimony that acts for or against, but that the actual preaching of the gospel (testimony) acts as a witness for or against.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness (testimony) unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Luk 10:8 And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:
Luk 10:9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luk 10:10 But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,
Luk 10:11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
In either case, the receiving or not receiving of the preachers of the gospel, the kingdom of God has come near.
Mal 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against false swearers, and against those that oppress the hireling in [his] wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and that turn aside the stranger [from his right], and fear not me, saith the LORD of hosts.
Deu 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; [but] at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.
Mar 6:7 And he called [unto him] the twelve, and began to send them forth **by two and two;** and gave them power over unclean spirits;
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gingerwine
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Hello, it's been awhile, but never of my mind to continue with this study...
I want to pick up on this;
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
and we have seen that a day has been appointed for judgement. But we also see that this day is a day of revelation, revealing the righteous judgment of God. So what is **righteous** judgment?
2Th 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
2Th 1:5 [Which is] a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
1Th 2:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.
Do you see how the trials and persecutions are a manifest (evident)**token** of God's righteous judgement. This speaks to a righteous judgment that has been revealed. (made evident)
1Jo 4:9 In this was [b]manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. [/b]
In the first appearing of Christ, God's love for the world was revealed and made evident in Christ.
What is a token?
Gen 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
Gen 17:11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
Exd 3:12 And he said, Certainly I will be with thee; and this [shall be] a token unto thee, that I have sent thee: When thou hast brought forth the people out of Egypt, ye shall serve God upon this mountain.
Mar 14:44 And he that betrayed him had given them a token, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he; take him, and lead [him] away safely.
So this token is an outward sign that can be seen and understood, so that our trials and persecutions are a sign. What is the purpose of this token?
..........that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
Mat 10:13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
Mat 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Mat 22:8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
Luk 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
This falls under chastisement. Seeing it is the righteous judgment of God to chastise.
Hbr 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Hbr 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
Hbr 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Now, do the scriptures not say that God so loved the world.............
In the next post, God willing, we will see the other side of this coin.
Luv
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gingerwine
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| fruit wrote: | It is amazing to me. I must say I have never noticed it before. Oh yes, I have read it many times and quoted it often, but this is the first time it really stands out for me like it does.
I have friends who often refer to a verse that says, "every knee shall bow"...and in this life, we know that we who believe and call on His name, have already bowed our knees before Him fulfilling that verse in our lives.
Notice how in the verse you offered, it would be those who have already bowed, and confessed are told to pray they are worthy to stand before the Son Of Man. |
wow! what a good catch. I hadn't thought of that. What's amazing to me is the depths of the scriptures. You can read them and read them and get new things out of the same ones no matter how many times we've read them in the past. Talk about hidden manna.
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gingerwine
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Hi. Yes, since you first brought this up, it's been popping out at me quite often in my reading.
I just haven't been able to get back to this in a disciplined way, but I dare say all the reading I've been doing will help when I do.
Hopefully, it will be soon.
Luv.
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