Verse by verse study of Matt 24

gingerwine · Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Posts: 59 Location: Canada

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these first two verses we have looked at don't tell us much about time. From Jesus till now, there have continued throughout all generations to be the deceivers and the deceived.

Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

The natural question to ask then is whether it's possible that this could have already happened. Even if we do not take the 1000 years literally, was there ever a period when the nations were not deceived?

The next verse in Matt to look at;

Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

There is actually not a lot to say about this unless we travel down a lot of side paths, ( which I did and why I haven't posted for a couple of days ) so just some notes;

Wars: Strongs
1) a war

2) a fight, a battle

3) a dispute, strife, quarrel

This same word is used here;

1Cr 14:8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

Hbr 11:34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens

Jam 4:1 ¶ From whence [come] wars and fightings among you? [come they] not hence, [even] of your lusts that war in your members?

Rev 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts [were] like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads [were] as it were crowns like gold, and their faces [were] as the faces of men.

Rev 9:9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings [was] as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.

Rev 11:7 ¶ And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

There are many more scriptures, but suffice to say wars need not be of a grand scale, but generally means any strifes whether they be between individuals or nations.

Rumors; Strongs

1) the sense of hearing

2) the organ of hearing, the ear

3) the thing heard

a) instruction, namely oral

1) of preaching the gospel

b) hearsay, report or rumour

This word has also been translated in various places as fame, report, hearing, ears, audience. So something heard.

Is this also prophesied in the OT?

Eze 7:26 Mischief shall come upon mischief, and rumour shall be upon rumour; then shall they seek a vision of the prophet; but the law shall perish from the priest, and counsel from the ancients.

Rumor; Strongs Hebrew

1) report, news, rumour

a) report, news, tidings

b) mention

Because of the date given in which Ezekial prophesied, the problem becomes to what time does this prophesy apply as this is just shortly before Nebu destroys Jerusalem. However, we may find and answer here;

Eze 12:25 For I [am] the LORD: I will speak, and the word that I shall speak shall come to pass; it shall be no more prolonged: for in your days, O rebellious house, will I say the word, and will perform it, saith the Lord GOD.

Hab 1:5 Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for [I] will work a work in your days, [which] ye will not believe, though it be told [you].

Act 13:40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;
Act 13:41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.

IMO, I also find it more than a coincidence that Ezekial is called the son of man, but let the reader study it out. Regardless, even if it is concerning Jerusalem in 590 BC, these things are for instruction and examples meaning they could happen again.

Let's look at this part;

for all [these things] must come to pass, which is the spirit of prophecy. This definitely tells us that we are dealing in time. Something cannot come to pass without considering future time and past time.

Looking at Isaiah and a prophesy concerning Jesus;

Isa 42:9 Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

Isa 42:13 The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.

Isa 42:22 But this [is] a people robbed and spoiled; [they are] all of them snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and none delivereth; for a spoil, and none saith, Restore.
Isa 42:23 ¶ Who among you will give ear to this? [who] will hearken and hear for the time to come?

Eze 33:33 And when this cometh to pass, (lo, it will come,) then shall they know that a prophet hath been among them.

So, in order for Jesus not to be a false prophet all that he has spoken must come to pass.

Let's look at Mark and Luke

Mar 13:7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled: for [such things] must needs be; but the end [shall] not [be] yet.

Luk 21:9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end [is] not by and by.

Jhn 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am [he].

Jhn 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe

Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Act 3:23 And it shall come to pass, [that] every soul, which will not hear that prophet, ( Jesus ) shall be destroyed from among the people.

Now a prophesy is not a prophecy unless it has yet to happen. Understanding that, we must also understand this;

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John:

So here's the rub;

Mar 13:29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, [even] at the doors.
Mar 13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
Mar 13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. ( till all these things be done )

I'm not going to get into this yet, but you see the problem. What is meant by "this generation"

Now let's look at the last part of this verse

"but the end is not yet."

If the end is not yet, then certainly not all his words have yet come to pass.

the end; Strongs

1) end

a) termination, the limit at which a thing ceases to be (always of the end of some act or state, but not of the end of a period of time)

b) the end

1) the last in any succession or series

2) eternal

c) that by which a thing is finished, its close, issue

d) the end to which all things relate, the aim, purpose

2) toll, custom (i.e. indirect tax on goods)

I think the most clear definition is c. That by which a thing is finished.

The question posed by his disciples was when will be the end of the world. The word used here is slightly different than the word used above.

Strongs;

1) completion, consummation, end

Basically they mean the same thing. I will be examining this more closely in later verses.

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the fruit · Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 139

gingerwine · Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Posts: 59 Location: Canada

word searcher · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 17 Location: everywhere USA

When Jesus is on the cross and he says..It is finished. And he offers up his spirit..(kingdom) to God.
Then those who have heard him in that generation enter into paradise with him. As he says to the theif on the cross, this day thou shalt be with me in paradise.
But is this when those prophecies have ended.
And now we who hear through his words which he spoke and to those he spoke to, that if we hear them as they heard him, then we too enter into that same paradise to day?

Jhn 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Luk 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

I hope I'm adding and not muddying..
gingerwine your study is great! thankyou.

the fruit · Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 139

gingerwine · Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Posts: 59 Location: Canada

Good day brothers and sisters. Very Happy

Let's look at the last part of Matt 24:7

Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

Luk 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

Strong's famine

1) scarcity of harvest, famine

The same word is also translated dearth

Act 7:11 Now there came a dearth over all the land of Egypt and Chanaan, and great affliction: and our fathers found no sustenance.
Act 7:12 But when Jacob heard that there was corn in Egypt, he sent out our fathers first.

Act 11:28 And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar.
Act 11:29 Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea:

Here it is translated hunger;

2Cr 11:27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.

Rev 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong [is] the Lord God who judgeth her.

Is there any reason to believe that when Jesus speaks of "famine" that we should take that to mean anything other than a literal lack of food? We see by the Acts scriptures that there was a literal lack of food and throughout that the churches sent relief to each other.

However, there is another type of famine to consider.

Amo 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Conversely;

Psa 33:18 Behold, the eye of the LORD [is] upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy;
Psa 33:19 To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine.

Psa 37:19 They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.

I'm feeling a little tired today and things are not flowing smoothly, so I will stop here

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the fruit · Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 139

gingerwine · Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Posts: 59 Location: Canada

Good morning. I'm glad my posts are at least provoking thought. Very Happy

Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

Last night a question occurred to me; what is particularly prophetic about verses 6 & 7? Was there not wars, famines, pestilences and earthquakes before Christ came and could not just about anybody predict that these things would continue after Jesus? The only possibility I could come up with was that verses 6 & 7 being a continuation of the thoughts of verse 5, must somehow be connected to verse 5. Certainly, something was going to be different than in the past; otherwise the next verse makes no sense;

Mat 24:8 All these [are] the beginning of sorrows.

All what things? Deceivers, the deceived, wars, famines, pestilences and earthquakes in divers places. That these are called a beginning tells us that something has changed and also that it is not the end.

Now this verse might take some discussion because here we must really rightly divide the scriptures given there are two major types of sorrowing

2Cr 7:9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.
2Cr 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Here then is a comparison made and therefore the death spoken of in verse 10 should not be confused with dying in Christ. But the use of the word death is another study which often causes confusion. Suffice to say it cannot be misunderstood in this verse because opposites are shown in comparison of one another. One brings salvation, the other non-salvation.

Strong's sorrow in Matt

1) the pain of childbirth, travail pain, birth pangs

2) intolerable anguish, in reference to the dire calamities precede the advent of the Messiah

other scriptures where this word is used;

Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains (sorrows) of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

Interesting; when Jesus is resurrected is when the sorrow (pains) of death is loosed.

1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail (sorrow) upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Along with Mark 13:8, these are the only four verses that use this particular word. Notice it is intimately connected with literal death of the body as shown in Acts 24 with Christ dying in the flesh.

So do the sorrows of Matt 24 mean the beginning of the pains of death? In connection with 2 Cor, it seems to make a strong argument for that interpretation.

More later.................

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the fruit · Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 139

word searcher · Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 17 Location: everywhere USA

hi gingerwine,

you brought up pains of death being loosed..
and there is a verse that always bothers me. I'm not sure what it means here:

Act 13:25 And as John fulfilled his course, he said, Whom think ye that I am? I am not [he]. But, behold, there cometh one after me, whose shoes of [his] feet I am not worthy to loose.

And the next thing that came to mind was:

Exd 3:5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest [is] holy ground.

Act 7:33 Then said the Lord to him, Put off thy shoes from thy feet: for the place where thou standest is holy ground.

Psa 56:13 For thou hast delivered my soul from death: [wilt] not [thou deliver] my feet from falling, that I may walk before God in the light of the living?

Why does John say he is not worthy to loose the shoes from Jesus' feet?

loose the pains of death..
the shoelatchets...

Deu 25:9 Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot, and spit in his face, and shall answer and say, So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up his brother's house.
Deu 25:10 And his name shall be called in Israel, The house of him that hath his shoe loosed.

I'm tthinking Jesus didn't come to build up the house of John...the last of the prophets and the law of the OT..
John fulfilled his course..meaning?
And Jesus began to build a new house to the Lord..

Maybe that's why John says he is not worthy to loose his shoe, because John knew Jesus didn't come to build the Old Temple, the old ways..but the new one made without hands...

John was beheaded for telling Philip it was not "lawful" to take his brothers wife..
and in Deut..it's the brothers wife that looses the shoe..and spits in his face for not building up his brothers house..

they have to tie in somehow...

loose the pains of death..loosing the law according to raising up seed to the dead...and raising seed to the living.
The New Covenant..

sorry..i'm ramblin..

hugs
searcher

gingerwine · Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Posts: 59 Location: Canada

To tell you the truth, searcher, I haven't really looked into that so I can't really give any credible answer. My intention with this thread was to eventually make connections between Matt and Revelation, so I was trying not to stray too far from that into other areas.

You can start other threads from spin offs, if you like. Maybe we'll get some answers to these other questions along the way, so it wouldn't hurt just to have these other threads even if we don't get to them in a hurry. It would remind us to go back to those topics when we're finished with Matthew 24.

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the fruit · Joined: 06 Sep 2007 Posts: 139