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the fruit
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the fruit
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gingerwine
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This grabbed me right away
| Quote: | | The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: |
Luk 22:31 ¶ And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired [to have] you, that he may sift [you] as wheat:
Luk 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
Interestingly, Peter's faith came **before** conversion.
Compare these two scriptures;
Mar 4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and [their] sins should be forgiven them.
Jhn 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with [their] eyes, nor understand with [their] heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
Almost the same except sins being forgiven equates to Jesus healing and is one and the same thing. It also seems to give an order of things; faith, conversion, healing.
Act 3:19 Repent (faith?) ye therefore, and be converted, (by the law of the Lord) that your sins may be blotted out, (forgiven, healed) when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Given this last is in Acts, it's not possible that sins were automatically forgiven by Jesus' death.
Isa 1:27 Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness. (righteousness = converted by the law of the Lord?)
Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD [is] perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD [is] sure, making wise the simple.
Interesting that this word is translated in the OT as converting only once, but as return or turn back 106 times. This is obviously similar to repenting. The law of the Lord is perfect; calling the soul to repentence.
Act 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
Act 15:3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD [is] perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD [is] sure, making wise the simple.
Deu 32:3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
Deu 32:4 [He is] the Rock, his work [is] perfect: for all his ways [are] judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right [is] he.
2Sa 22:33 God [is] my strength [and] power: and he maketh my way perfect.
Jhn 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Phl 3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus
That was so interesting, not even getting past the first line of your post. LOL!
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the fruit
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gingerwine
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Just a comment; IMO, the following two thougts deny the trinity
| Quote: | But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
**Now we have received,** not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. |
Jhn 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.
Jhn 7:29 But I know him: for I am from him, (the spirit that is of God) and he hath sent me.
See how this makes Jesus the spirit of God? Only the spirit of God, knows the things of God. And who do we receive?
| Quote: | And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, | Quote: | | by the Spirit which he hath given us. |
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:
For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. |
And God **gave** his only begotten son.
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the fruit
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gingerwine
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| fruit wrote: | | Also, read verses 26 and 27 with verse 34 and see how it goes well with what you said in your last post about the trinity. ) |
Good catch. Yes, it goes very well. I love it when two minds work together.
Shall we break down called, justified and glorified and see if we can really clarify what each means?
Let's start with called.
Rom 8:30
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
This Greek word called is translated in a few ways; to utter the voice, to name and to bid (bidden)
So In looking at the scriptures, I ran into a problem right away.
Mat 22:8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden (called) were not worthy.
This does not seem to square with Paul who says those he called, them he also justified, then glorified.
Mat 22:3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
This seems to indicate that the called can refuse the calling?? or at least, in times past, could refuse the calling??
Help me out here; the brain isn't working today 
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